TRANSCRIPT 6: RAJBIR SINGH
TEHELKA: Namaste Rajbir ji. Kaise ho
TEHELKA: Kaise hain.
RAJBIR: Pani le ke aa
TEHELKA: Apke liye laya maine
RAJBIR: He, he, he, he, ho, ho, ho
TEHELKA: Mera husband fauj mein hai na, accha fauji rum laya.
Apka madad chahiye
RAJBIR: Full milega
TEHELKA: Mera driver ko kiraya mein ek makaan chahiye, yahan milega (1.23/ 21.34.36)
RAJBIR: haan milega
TEHELKA: Kitna kamra ka milta hai, do kamra, ek kamra. Kitchen bhi hota, bathroom bhi hota. Ki door hota bathroom.
RAJBIR: Nahin, nahin. Aap Hindi samajhte hain He, he, he.
TEHELKA: He, He, He
RAJBIR: Dekho phone aaya tha. Maine kai dafe aapke
TEHELKA: Khana khayiye na
RAJBIR: Nahin, nahin, aap bhi lo naa
TEHELKA: Zara kha leta hai
RAJBIR: Aap bhi lo
TEHELKA: Kai dafa phone aaya tha
TEHELKA: Kiska?
RAJBIR: Mujhe nahin pata kiska aaya tha. Mere se baat karne ki kai dafa koshish ki. Unhone phone kaat diya. (2.07/21.35.20)
TEHELKA: Accha, kaun?
RAJBIR: unhone kaha tha ki Rajbir Singh ji se milna chahte hain
TEHELKA: haan, main aapse milna chahti thi
TEHELKA: Wo apne kisi ko number diya hoga, to unhone call kiya hoga shayad
RAJBIR: Are sab kuch thanda ho gaya na sab kuch le ja
TEHELKA: Thanda. Coca Cola milega
RAJBIR: haan ji milega
TEHELKA: Apka dost mar gaya dukh laga hoga na
RAJBIR: Mamu?
TEHELKA: mamu
RAJBIR: Laughs
TEHELKA: Wo bahut ghumaya aapko.
RAJBIR: Nahin
TEHELKA: Ghumaya, kabhi. Nahin
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TEHELKA: yaha makaan kaisai milega? Makana vahan hai yaha?
RAJBIR: koi dikkat nahin hai.
TEHELKA: kitna kiraya hai.
RAJBIR: Aaree bhai kiraya hai mat diyo kya dikat hai? delkho pyar ki koyo kimat nahin hai. Mere paas bahut makan hain, koi dikkat nahin hai..
TEHELKA: makan mil jaiga.?
RAJBIR: Mil jayega.
RAJBIR’s son: Samne wala apartment
RAJBIR: dekho mai abhi tak aap ko pahachan nahin pa raha hao.
TEHELKA: Inko aap pehchana
TEHELKA; mai us din Jitendra kai satha ayya tha.
RAJBIR; ha ha
TEHELKA: Us din aaya mahin tha main Jitendra ke saath
RAJBIR: Mamu ne mujhe kahin nahin ghumaya.
RAJBIR’s son: Karan Rajput
RAJBIR: Haan Karan rajput
TEHELKA: Bacche ko bhi pata hai
TEHELKA: Poora kahani pata hai
RAJBIR’s son: Wo yahan par rehte the
TEHELKA: Accha
RAJBIR: maire ghar mai rahat the. Maine kabhi aaj tak bhi kisi ka namak tak bhi nahin khaya hai. mainai hamesha logo ki madat ki hai. Wo mere ki kaam aata
TEHELKA: kaisai aadmai the vo?
RAJBIR: bhai vo fraud kisam ka adami tha.
TEHELKA: fraud, yai aap kaise keh sakte hain.?
RAJBIR: Mere ko bhi chuna lagaya
TEHELKA: Accha
RAJBIR: Wo apni zameer se gir chuka tha
TEHELKA: Kya bolta tha
RAJBIR: Nahin bolta kuch nahin tha. Mere paas yahan rehta tha. kabhi maine unka kuch nahin khaya bhai. Baki wo theek admi nahin tha. kul milakar 100 per cent.
TEHELKA: Yeh aap kaise kah sakte hain.
TEHELKA: Jitendra mujhe bataya tha ki jab wo..
TEHELKA: Yeh jitendra ke saath, yeh jeetender ko bahut acchi tarah janate hain
TEHELKA: Mujhe jeetender bataya..
RAJBIR: Jeetender ka mama tha na.
TEHELKA: Jeetender
TEHELKA: Bina Ramani ka bar mein baithe the wo. Ab apko to bataya hoga thoda kahani
RAJBIR: Mere ko sari kahani ka pata hai. Mamu Jatin ko bhi le gaya wahan
TEHELKA: Kahan pe?
RAJBIR: Okhla
TEHELKA: Okhla mein kahan pe
R: Main har cheez se wakif hoon
TEHELKA: Okhla mein kahan pe
RAJBIR: Wo jo iski Sharma ki building nahin hai
TEHELKA: haan, haan
TEHELKA: Kya naam hai building ka?
TEHELKA: Manu Sharma ka?
RAJBIR: Manu Sharma ki
TEHELKA: Pitaji ka
RAJBIR: Haan
TEHELKA: Jitendra bhi gaya tha
RAJBIR: Jitendra bhag aaya wahan se
TEHELKA: Kyon, dar gaya
RAJBIR: Jitendra ne ek paisa bhi afford nahin kiya gair kanooni. Galat paisa, main kai dafa gaya Okhla.
TEHELKA: Aap gaye
RAJBIR: Sawal kar diye, mujhe kya sapne aawe hain kya
TEHELKA: Wahan kisase milate the aap log
RAJBIR: Mamu hi milata tha jitendra, wo
TEHELKA: Sharma se?
RAJBIR: Sharma se
TEHELKA: Pitaji ka ki beta ko
RAJBIR: Eh, Pitaji milata tha mama ko
TEHELKA: Acche dost the?
R: .. ka sauda karne yeh wo (6.27/ 21.39.40)
RAJBIR: main to Chandigarh bhi, Picadelly hotel
TEHELKA: Accha hotel hai?
RAJBIR: Bahut badhiyan hotel hai
TEHELKA: Mh
RAJBIR: Picadelly mein main gaya, eh manali gaya, Usne, Manu Sharma ke father ne na Mama se haan bhar li thi. Ki itne paise dene hain, Ki yeh karna hai too wahan ja wahan ja. Mama jo hai bahut badha likha aur bahut chalak admi tha
TEHELKA: Hoon, hoon. Accha
RAJBIR: mama ne mere sale ko, inake mama ko dore daal diye. Wo criminal kisam ka admi tha
TEHELKA: Aap nahin darata
RAJBIR: mera jo sala tha wo criminal kisam ka admi tha
TEHELKA: Nahin jo, Karan mamu the, kahan kahan le jaate the?
RAJBIR: Bhai main ek dafa to Chandigarh ticket le ke aayan hoon
TEHELKA: Chandigarh ticket
RAJBIR: Apne kharche pe, usake kharche pe nahin
TEHELKA: Kisase milate the wahan pe
RAJBIR: Wo mile hi nahin mere samne kisi se
TEHELKA: Nahi aap akele hote the mamu hote the saath mein
RAJBIR: Mamu hota tha, mera sala hota tha
RAJBIR: Aur aap?
R: Aur main. Mamu bahut chalak kisam ka admi tha bhai
RAJBIR: Ye, chalak matlab?
R: Jaise, aap mere ghar maa aayein hain. Maine aapki izzat karni chahiye
RAJBIR: Sahi baat
RAJBIR: Ya main aapke saath kahin jaaon. Apne meri izzat kar li
RAJBIR’s wife: Khud milata tha jisase milana hota tha na.. jo hota tha unke saath mein unko nahin milwata tha
RAJBIR: Par wo mere samne… Wo ukso. Jinka .. kar raha tha na wo usako dhokha de rahe the
RAJBIR’s wife: Jo mar gaye unaka jikar hi kyon
TEHELKA: Matlab
RAJBIR’s wife: Zinda thodi hai wo. Mar gaye….
RAJBIR; Jinase milna chah raha tha na mamu
TEHELKA: Kisase milana chah raha tha
RAJBIR: Manu Sharma se, manu Sharma ke hotel mein bhi gaye. Isaka father hi usko gumrah kar raha tha
TEHELKA: Father, matlab Manu Sharma ka father
RAJBIR: haan. Usane paise ke liye haan hoon bhari thi naa. Diye nahin
TEHELKA: Kisako, mamu ko?
RAJBIR: Mamu ko
RAJBIR’s wife: Unka zikr hi chod do aap. Kyon baat kar rahe ho aise admi ki.
RAJBIR: Main bahut saaf saaf baat karta hoon
TEHELKA: Darasal, yeh poore case se involved hain
RAJBIR’s wife: Wahin baitha tha wo. Usane hamare ko dikhaya tha paper. Wo khatam ho gaya kya
TEHELKA: Nahin, mamla phir se thoda shuru ho gaya
RAJBIR’s wife: Hum samacharajbir sunate hain
TEHELKA: Apko bataya tho us raat kya dekha tha
RAJBIR: haan mere ko bataya tha
TEHELKA: Kya dekha tha
RAJBIR: Wo bahut sharab peeye hue the. Wo admi, computer mein khot hota hai dimag mein khot nahin hota. Mama. Main. Mama mere level se hi baat kar sakta tha. Dekho. Jo admi. Dekho
RAJBIR’s wife: Aap aye the ne jab mama zinda the? Hain?
TEHELKA: Haan
RAJBIR’s wife: Wo aapki bahan hi guzari thi kya?
TEHELKA: nahin, nahin, ye doosari hain
RAJBIR’s wife: Doosari hain?
TEHELKA: Yeh unaki dost hain
RAJBIR’s wife: Accha
TEHELKA: haan batayiye mamu
RAJBIR: Mamu computer se bhi aage dimag rakhata tha. Main aur mamu jab aapas mein baat karte the, to meri aur mamu ki baatein mein khati thi. Main anpadh hoon. Aap padhe likhe hain. Aap meri baat ko na samajh paayein. Main aapki baat ko naa samajh paaon.
TEHELKA: To mamu kis mamle mein tez tha matlab
RAJBIR: mamu bahut padha likha hoshiyar admi tha
TEHELKA: nahin, us raat bataya kya hua
RAJBIR: Haan mere ko bataya tha. Wahin hum baithe the. Aur aise aise unhone yeh kaand kar diya
TEHELKA: Kisane?
RAJBIR: Manu Sharma ne
TEHELKA: Lad raha tha kya
RAJBIR: nahin, nahin. Mamu ne mujhe yeh bataya tha. Bhai aap tape vape, kuch aisi baat nahin hai na
TEHELKA: nahin, nahin, dekh lo
RAJBIR: Madam, main iski waise sharab nahin peeta main, sorry
TEHELKA: Accha, to phir meri taraf se kisi aur ko pila dena
RAJBIR: Haan. Usne na Manu Sharma ko na apshabd baat kahi.
TEHELKA: Jessica ne?
RAJBIR: Jessica ne.
TEHELKA: … baat boli
RAJBIR: manu ko apshabd baat kahi. Apshabd mein, aap padhe likhe hain. Har baat ko samajhete hain. Manu Sharma ko apshabd baat kahi gayee. Usane gusse mein phir
TEHELKA: Maar diya..
TEHELKA: Yeh Karan Rajput ne aapko bataya?
RAJBIR’s wife: yeh baat court mein bata doge. Kyon befalatoo ka mamla chal jaaye. Kyon zikar kar rahe ho
TEHELKA: nahin batayiye.. kyon samajhana …
TEHELKA: bhabhi aisi koi baat nahin hai
RAJBIR’s wife: Kal se, inko usane sari baat batayi. // bata denge
TEHELKA: Inka mamla to kabhi aaya hi nahin. Bhabhi, inka mamla to kabhi aaya hi nahin. Yeh ek NGO chalati hi hain. yeh N hain. Yeh filmon mein kaam karti hain
TEHELKA: Hum sach ke liye ladte hain.
TEHELKA: Yeh ek NGO chalati hain aur yeh sach ke liye.
RAJBIR: Dekho, mera to koi kisi mamle mein bigad bhi nahin sakta
TEHELKA: Aap wahan nahin the
RAJBIR: Main wahan nahin tha. Kahani to pata hai.
RAJBIR: Haan, Sari kahani pata hai. Karan usko. Manu Sharma ko na Jessica Lall ne apshabd kahe. Bahut buri baat kahi. Jo bardasht se bahar ho gayi. Usane dhadam se nikali. Yeh sach hai bhai.
TEHELKA: Aur phir usake baad mamu ko khoob paisa diya Sharma ne. (13.20/ 21. 46.33)
RAJBIR: karib bees laakh rupaya diya. Kareeb.
TEHELKA: mamu maan gaye. Ki mamu ko kabhi laga nahin ki
RAJBIR: Nahin, mamu kabhi bahut hi international karne wala tha
RAJBIR’s wife: Usaki maummu kehti thi. Wahan se paise le ke aata tha na to unako kharachata hua aata tha. Ghar mein le ke nahin aata tha. Thode bahut
RAJBIR’s son: mamu bahut shaukin tha. Bahut drink
RAJBIR: Usaki
RAJBIR’s wife: bahut sharabi the.
RAJBIR: Nahin, sharabi to tha. Sharabi hone ke bawajood itna dimag kisi admi mein.
RAJBIR’s wife: Haan, gaali wali nahin deta tha. Ulta seedha nahin bolata tha
RAJBIR: Chaay, coffee kuch
TEHELKA: Ek cheez batayiye?.
R: Khana kam se kam to le aao. Haan haan
TEHELKA: Ek, adha roti aur thodi sabzi aur achar
RAJBIR: Makkhan, achar
TEHELKA: Rajbir ji, jab N ji gayi thi Sabrina ji se milne..
RAJBIR: Mamu ne to usaki bahan se bhi paise le liye the. Main gaya tha, safdarjug mein kahan peeche rehti hain. Unke ghar gaya tha. Unka ghar mujhe yaad hai. Jaise ye road aa raha hai na aise
TEHELKA: Haan
RAJBIR: Samne hi hai road ke.
TEHELKA: Sabrina ka ghar?
RAJBIR: haan.
TEHELKA: Kyon paisa diya.
RAJBIR: Wo. Madam, humein to in baata ka nahin pata.
TEHELKA: Nahin, nahin
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RAJBIR: Shadi, wadi ki baat bhi karan rajput se ki thi.
TEHELKA: Kisaki shadi?
RAJBIR: Arre, wo Jessica Lall ki bahan jo thi na.
TEHELKA: Uske saath shadi hone wala tha.
RAJBIR: Wo jhootha tha ya saccha tha wo madam waise he aata jaata rahta tha. mujhe to in cheezon se koi interest nahin tha. Karan Rajput se waada kiya tha uski shadi ka bhi. Paanch lakh, ya saat lakh diye bhi the usko.
TEHELKA: Saat lakh rupaye?
RAJBIR: Haan
TEHELKA: Udhar se bhi bees lakh liye, udhar se bhi saath lakh
RAJBIR: Haan wo bahut criminal dimag ka admi tha mamu.
TEHELKA: Sabrina ke saath shadi karega. Buddha nahin tha?
RAJBIR: nahin wo kabhi mar gaya, do saal bad bhi Buddha rehne wala nahin tha.
RAJBIR’s son: bahut fancy the wo. Bade bade baal rakhte the, paancho ungaliyon mein ring thi. Moti. Paanch-paanch che che pehanate the. Chain pehente the. Joote high, matlab. Aisa lagata tha ki jaise..(1.00/21.49.20)
RAJBIR: Education mein bahut hi-fi tha. Aur main usaki har baat ko samajhta tha. Mere se bhi paise le gaya na wo.
TEHELKA: Kyon? Itna paisa tha to aapse kyon liya? Apke ghar mein rehta tha.
RAJBIR: Mere se paisa le gaya. Meri Beebi se bola ab Rajbir ji ne itne paise mangaye hain.
TEHELKA: Acha-Acha.
TEHELKA: Acha-acha. Kitna paisa le gaya aapse?
RAJBIR: Mere se koi zyada nahin bhai. Das ek hazar rupaye.
TEHELKA: Das ek
RAJBIR: Accha, phir wo meri bibi se bhi le gaya. Ab bhabhi mujhe kuch paise chahiye hain, main apko sham ko lauta doonga. Ab bhai. Phir wo usane aisa system banaya. Paise to wo lauta diye
TEHELKA: Phir theek hai
TEHELKA: Matlab. Meri bibi se. Main ghar aa gaya. Paise peeche de gaya mamu. Bola haan, haan. Double le gaya paise.
TEHELKA: Accha mamu paise lene khud jaata tha. Paise kaise aate the?
RAJBIR: Khud jaata tha wahin.
TEHELKA: Kahan, kahan?
RAJBIR: Bhai, mere saath to Okhla gaya hai ek do baar, ek baar aur gaya
TEHELKA: Kisase milta tha?
RAJBIR: Isake father se.
TEHELKA: Kya naam hai? Father ka kya naam hai? Nahin kisake father> Manu Sharma ke father
RAJBIR: Manu Sharma ke father ke paas.
TEHELKA: Father to unake Chandigarh rehte hain na. Yahan kahan rehte hain.
RAJBIR: Nahin, nahin. Wo Sainik farm me reh rahe hain.
TEHELKA: Aap log Sainik farm jaate the ki Okhla jaate the?
RAJBIR: Nahin, nahin. Main to ek baar gaya hoon, car me hi baitha raha hoon, maine na dekha manu Sharma ke, usake father ko, maine aaj tak bhi nahin dekhya hai.
TEHELKA: Aur jitn bhi. Kitna paisa laata tha ek baar mein.
RAJBIR: bees laakh rupaye laya na
TEHELKA: Ek saath?
RAJBIR: Nahin, kishton mein.
TEHELKA: Jaise kabhi..
RAJBIR: Mera koi role nahin raha hai kisi prakar mein. Madam, main na to lalachi hoon. Mere hi paise kha gaya wo. Chandigarh gaye na to mere sale ko le ke gaya hai wo. Mere dimag mein ye baat hogi usko manu Sharma ne bol diya tha tujhko paanch lakh rupaye doonga aa jao. Maine socha mera sala theek pravriti ka nahin hai bhai. Kabhi isme maar de kabi aur yo behechod badnami mare sar pe aa jaye. (3.50/21.52.09)
TEHELKA: Sahi baat hai
RAJBIR: Main, phir, mamu chandigarh gaya, wahan hum ruke.
TEHELKA: Kahan pe?
RAJBIR: Picadelly hotel jo hai.
TEHELKA: Acha acha
RAJBIR: Jahan hum ruke. Humne sharab wurub pi. Tadke, mamu ne pata na phone pe ke baat kari ke naa. Hum phir manali chale gaye. Manali se aaye to phir mere paas jo paise the . Mamu sharab bahut bahan karta tha, mamu jaisa achcha admi bhi nahin ho sakta
TEHELKA: Accha dost tha?
TEHELKA: bahut acha admi tha wo.
RAJBIR: Ab, mamali gaye. Wahan unhone bhaga diye. Arre koi gilas vilas de de.
RAJBIR’s wife: Unaki baatein mat karo. Apne kam ki baat. Bilkul. Na. Case hai ulta sulta. Yeh baate mat batao. Mamu jaye bhad mein.
TEHELKA: Apko man mein lagata hai Beena Ramani ke bare mein. Usako phansaya gaya?
RAJBIR: Bilkul 100 per cent phansaya gaya hai.
TEHELKA: Unake liye humko kuch karna chahiye? Ki unko aise phansne deke chodna chahiye.. Jitendra unka namak khaya
RAJBIR: Dekho
TEHELKA: Aap ek cheez batao Rajbeer ji. Yeh Jitendra bhi gaya tha wahan. Yeh Jeetender bhi jaata tha kya.
RAJBIR: Nahin, nahin. Jeetender nahin gaya kabhi bhi. Jeetender kabhi nahin gaya
RAJBIR’s wife: jeetender ki to galati nahin thi. Mama bhanje ki to ladai rahti thi humesha.
RAJBIR: jeetender to, isko paise dilwane ki bhi baat ho gayi thi. Yeh wahan se bhaag aya. Bhai glass de na
RAJBIR’s wife: Ab isme Bina Ramani ka kya dosh.
RAJBIR: Bina Ramani ko to
RAJBIR’s wife: Usme kaise kaise log aaye the usko kya pata
RAJBIR: Jatin, namakharami kare to kare.
TEHELKA: nahin, aapka dil kya kehta hai. Kyonki aap dost hain. Apki kahani pata hai. Humko kuchkarna chahiye ki uski kasna chahiye.
RAJBIR: madam, Bina Ramani to. Jaise aap mere se kahein. Aap yeh kehte lo yeh kam kara lao. Meri bhi kuch dutiyan hain. Maine aapka.. Lo aap lo
TEHELKA: Nahin, hum Coca-cola peete hain.
RAJBIR: Bhai. Jeetu ne koi galat kaam kiya hai to Beenu jimmewar nahin uski. Bhai, apne mere se paise diye. Bhai ye wo kaam kara lao. Aap paise ke lalach me ye kaam kara lao. Apki galati hai phir.
TEHELKA: Yeh Sabrina ki dost hain bhabhi. Sabrina, Jessica ki behen.
RAJBIR: Oh. To main to inke ghar to gaya hoon.
RAJBIR’s son: Inka ghar to yahin hain
RAJBIR: Nahin, nka ghar to Safdarjung enclave ke peeche hai.
TEHELKA: Kyonki ye mamla doobara khul raha hai
RAJBIR: Main to gaya hoon inke ghar. Inka ghar road ke aise samne hai. Meri aankhen to. Main to gadi mein hi baitha tha.
RAJBIR’s wife: Jo goli si mari wo inki behen thi
TEHELKA: Jessica ..
RAJBIR: Apne ne bhi mamu ko paise diye the.
TEHELKA: Na
RAJBIR: naa ji diye apne
TEHELKA: Mmu ko hum nahin janata
TEHELKA: Yeh Sabrina nahin hain
TEHELKA: Hum Sabrina nahin hain
RAJBIR: achcha-achacha
TEHELKA: Yeh unki
RAJBIR’s wife: Aap humare ghar pehli paar aaye ho.
TEHELKA: ye jiten ka dost hai. Mujhe ghar chahiye tha. Yeh do do roti beta bahut zyada hai. Ek plate aur le ke ao
RAJBIR’s wife: Ek plate mein aur roti hogi
TEHELKA: Ab nahin, adha adha kha lenge
TEHELKA: Abhi pet bilkul bhara hai
RAJBIR: Bhai, aisa hai, main to Jessica Lall ke ghar tak bhi gaya hoon.
TEHELKA: Accha. Wahan kya karne gaye the.
RAJBIR:Ghar nahin gaye. Gadi mein baithe the. Mamu gaya tha. Masmu ne hi batayi the wo mujhse shadi karegi. Wo itne paise kha gaya.
TEHELKA: Acha
RAJBIR: Mamu ne paise khaye usase bhi.
RAJBIR’s wife: Wo to har kisi se baat karta tha, kehta tha shadi karegi
TEHELKA: Sharma ki taraf se kaun paise dene jata tha. mamu hi jata tha?
RAJBIR: mamu hi jata tha paise lene
TEHELKA: kahan?
RAJBIR: Bhai mere saath to ek jagah okhla gaya hai. Us din paise bhi na mile
TEHELKA: Accha. Main nahin khaunga
RAJBIR: Kha lo yaar
TEHELKA: Bhabhi, bilkul pet bhara hai. Bahi bilkul thoons ke aa rahe hain. Pata hai kiske yahan. Kisne khila diya mujhe. N ji ko khana do
RAJBIR: Bhai main to spashta vakta hoon. Kahin koi jhooth nahin bolta
TEHELKA: Mera ek cheez poochna. Ek to mere ko ghar chahiye. Doosra baat hai humko hum logon ko beena ramani ke liye sacchai ke liye kuch ladna hai. Sab khamosh baitha hai. wo iska koi dost hi nahin hai.
RAJBIR: Dekho madam. Beena ramani bahut acchi aurat hai. Main usase kabhi nahin mila. TV pe hi dekhi hai. Saket me shayad wo rahati hai. Mera dost hai
RAJBIR: Achcha achcha.
TEHELKA: Mujhe bahut fikr hota hai unake liye. Kyonki jo bhola insane hai na bhola. Unko phansana bahut asan hai.
RAJBIR: Ye jo rashan card ki ye wo. Bahut badhiya aurat hai.
TEHELKA: Bada jaldi pee liya
RAJBIR: Haan,haan, haan. Paani ke liye ek gilas
TEHELKA: mamu ka yeh jo aspatal ka kharcha tha, yeh kaun deta tha.
RAJBIR’s wife: mere ko pooch us bare mein. Teen char lakh rupaye ho gaye the. Raat ko uski muumy utha le usko aise hi. Botal latka ke
RAJBIR: Bhai, sab manu Sharma ka baap deta tha
TEHELKA: hasptal ka kharcha
RAJBIR: Haan
RAJBIR’s wife: abhi bhi haega do teen lakh rupaye. Kahan deta. Wo deta hoga to raam jane
TEHELKA: Wo daru pee peekar liver kharab ho gaya tha na.
RAJBIR: Are bhai, mera bhi paisa na kha jata tha. (11.12/21.59.31)
TEHELKA: Nahin, to aspatal kha kharcha kaun deta tha
RAJBIR: Manu Sharma
TEHELKA: Kitna paisa kharch kiya hoga aspatal mein
RAJBIR: Kareeb, mere ko to bees lakh bataya tha mamu ne, baki tees ke upar tha. Maine kabhi mamu ka paani bhi nahin piya bhai.
RAJBIR’s wife: Mamu ho ya mama mere ko to aacha lagata tha.
TEHELKA: kahan kahan bharati hua tha
RAJBIR’s son: Singhania
RAJBIR: Kahan ho gaya ye bata
RAJBIR’s son: Singania mein
TEHELKA: Singhania mein hue the Rajbir ji
RAJBIR: Singhania mein to last time tha
TEHELKA: Sitaram Bharatiya mein bhi to gaye the
RAJBIR: Arre, aisa hai. mamu mere se har baat chupa ke rakhta tha. Mera dost tha
TEHELKA: Lekin ye kaise keh sakte hain ki manu Sharma hi deta tha paisa.
RAJBIR: Mujhe confirm thi baat
TEHELKA: yeh kaise keh sakte ho
RAJBIR’s wife: yahi court mein kahega
TEHELKA: Court ki koi baat nahin hai bhabhi
TEHELKA: Kabhi court mein bolne ko taiyar hoga ye
RAJBIR’s wife: Iske pair tod dengein agar jayega to
RAJBIR: Ab apko bhi ek baat buri lag rahi hai. Sach sweekar karna bahut himmat ka kaam hai. Ramani ne paise liye
TEHELKA: Kaun Ramani
RAJBIR: Beena ramani ne bhi paise liye bhai
TEHELKA: Kis cheez ke liye
RAJBIR: Madam, main wahi baat to uth gaye (12.48/ 22.01.07)
RAJBIR: Jis time manu ko pehchana na, us time gaal pe kis wis karke. Yeh to wo nahin hai
TEHELKA: nahin wo kaha ki ye hai
RAJBIR: nahin madam yeh nahin kaha ki yeh wo hai
TEHELKA: Aap nahin the wahan
RAJBIR: main maujood tha wahan
TEHELKA: Kya hua tha
RAJBIR: Humari sanskriti mein aisa nahin hai. Nahin, usne pehchanane se mana kiya bhai. Ab yeh manu Sharma nahin hai. Usk na thoda sa kis wis karke. Isne bhi paise liye hain.
TEHELKA: to phir kyon phans gaya
RAJBIR: Hello, yeh bhi sach hai.
TEHELKA: nahin, sach hoga. Main nahin keh raha hoon ki nahi
RAJBIR: Hoga nahin, hai
RAJBIR’s wife: Inki dost hai burai karte ho unki. Sachchai ko sweekar karna
TEHELKA: Dost wost kya hota hai bhabhi. Jo baat sach hai wo sach hai. Agar kisi ko aisa laga raha to
TEHELKA: Magar proof chahiye bas.
RAJBIR: Proof nahin hai madam.
TEHELKA: Rajbir ji, Karan rajput ke marne ke baad Sharma se kabhi aap mile, baat waat hui kabhi. Touch wuch hua kabhi.
RAJBIR: main Sharma se aaj tak kabhi nahin mila. Na maine dekhya hai use. Na maine dekhya hai kabhi. Na mera usase kisi prakar ka sambandh hai.
TEHELKA: Kareeb kitna kharcha aaya hoga aspatal mein.
RAJBIR: Arre, uska bahut kharch aya
TEHELKA: Kya kya
RAJBIR: Wo lakhon rupaya aise hi …. Chala jata tha.
Part 3
RAJBIR: Jaise abhi ye cold drinks manga hai, pani mangaya hai. Usane kabhi paanch paise kharch nahin kiye aaj tak.
RAJBIR’s wife: Kisne
RAJBIR: mamu ne
TEHELKA: Karta kya tha waise
RAJBIR: Jua khelna,
TEHELKA: makan khareeda
RAJBIR: nahin
TEHELKA: Shauk nahin tha
TEHELKA: Kharcha kaise chalta tha.
RAJBIR: Bhai Sharma ji denta the. Ye to mamu ka time bigad gaya tha. Mamu to, jabse uski bibi se talak hua hai na.. hota chala gaya
TEHELKA: Karta kuch nahin tha
RAJBIR: nahin
TEHELKA: yahan kiraya kitna deta tha
RAJBIR: Kiraya bhi time pe na deta tha. maine to bhagaya hai bhai bina kiraya rehne do magar
TEHELKA: Kiraya kitna tha yahan pe
RAJBIR: Chaar hazar rupaye
TEHELKA: Char hazar rupaye baki hain?.Kitna room, do teen kamre the kya?
RAJBIR’s wife: Flat hai
TEHELKA: Flat hai poora. Kuch nahin karta tha kya phir?
RAJBIR: nahin, kuch nahin. Sharab peena, jua khelna, aayyashi karna (1.34/22.04.58)
TEHELKA: To itna kharcha, daroo ka kharcha, hospital ka kharcha kaise chalta tha?
RAJBIR: Jabki main uske kisi …. Mein saath nahin tha. as mera renter, aap mere padosi hain, saath mere baith jao, baki sharab main hi pilata tha, baki aaj tak bhi paanch paise ki sharab nahih pee thi
TEHELKA: Sahi hai. Char hazar? Kitna Bada kamra hoga
RAJBIR: bhai apne, kaun sa khali hai
R’s son/ wife: 14 number flat khali hai.
RAJBIR: 14 number kaun sa?
TEHELKA: Hum subah aake dekh lenge.
RAJBIR’s son: Abhi dekh lo samne koi.
TEHELKA: Abhi thak gaye hain.
RAJBIR: Mere ko mamu ne hi bataya tha bina ramani ne hi paise liye the.
RAJBIR’s wife: Arre, wo to mar gaya. Iski baat ka usase….
RAJBIR: Mujhe Mamu ne bataya tha, beena ramani ne uske gaal pe aise na. Main wahin tha maujood court me
TEHELKA:
RAJBIR: Wo aapki doosri baat hai. main aapki baad mein bataonga. Usne uski kiss kiya aur pehchanane se mana kar diya. Paise dekar. Jabki bina ramani manu Sharma ko 100 me se 160 per cent pehchanati thi.
TEHELKA: Baad mein usko pehchana. Magar jis din hua tha us din nahin janati thi.
RAJBIR’s wife
RAJBIR: Nahi, thi. Khoon saaf nahin karwaya?
TEHELKA: Khoon tha hi nahin.
RAJBIR: madam, ye confirm hai wo mehrauli thane se….
TEHELKA; Rajbir ji, haspatal ka kitna aaya hoga abhi?
RAJBIR’s wife: Accha in baton se kya fayada hoga. Main bataongi.
RAJBIR; Fayada hoga jo bhi hoga
TEHELKA: 4 lakh she said.
RAJBIR’s wife: Jitne usne paise diye
TEHELKA: halaat bahut kharab rehti thi
RAJBIR: Bahut kharab rehti thi. Mamu mera bahut close dost tha.
RAJBIR’s wife: Accha, aise admi dost hote hain? rehne do aap.
RAJBIR: nahin khair wo upar hai.
RAJBIR’s wife: dost wost koi nahin tha. Kirayedar tha,
TEHELKA: yahan se phir kahan gaye the
RAJBIR: Jahan hamara lakadi bane thi.
RAJBIR’s wife: Gaye the rohini
TEHELKA: Kitne din yahan rahe.
RAJBIR’s wife: yahan rahe the dhedh saal.
RAJBIR: Hello, maine bataya tha unko
RAJBIR’s wife: Inka to kiraya bhi choda tha maine.
TEHELKA: Char mahine ka kiraya nahin diya
TEHELKA: Matlab 16 hazaar karib
RAJBIR’s son: unki halat itni kharab ho gayi thi ki hospital ke unke paas paise nahin hote the
RAJBIR: Yeh manu Sharma ka baap de nahi raha tha usko paise.
TEHELKA: kabhi usko gussa nahin aaya ke paise nahin de raha hai to main sacchai bol doon.
RAJBIR: Nahin. Wo to ek baar aur torcher karne gaya tha. jab manu Sharma ne baat karni band kar di thi. Jab bari ho gaya tha.
RAJBIR’s wife: mamu to mara baki admi to sab jinde hain na. Unse baat kar lo
RAJBIR: Mamu ko khud manu Sharma ne pehchan, madam aapko meri baat samajh mein aa rahi hai. manu Sharma ne mamu ko pehchanane se inkar kar diya tha.
TEHELKA: Fayada utha liya
RAJBIR: Jab bari ho jaye na
TEHELKA: Kya jab…
RAJBIR: Apki samajh mein nahin aayi baat. Manu Sharma jab bari ho gaya na to mamu ko pehchanane se inkar kar diya tha. main tere ko janata hi nahin hoon.
TEHELKA: Koshish kar rahe hain hum sach pata karne ki. Hum logon ko kya karna chahiye.
RAJBIR: madam dekh, mere saath bahut log hain. Sara desh hai mere saath. Main jaaoonga court mein.
RAJBIR’s wife: Court mein chale jaoge?
RAJBIR: Ke dikkat aa rahi hai court mein jaane mein
RAJBIR’s wife: Kisliye
RAJBIR: Dekhi jhooth bolna aur galat kaam karna paap hai.
TEHELKA: Isko poocha nahin to sach kaise bolega. Poochega to bolega na.
TEHELKA: Achacha ek cheez aur batao rajbir ji, ye surinder kaun apke sath.
RAJBIR: mera dost hai bhai.Wo ek saal ho gaya hai, mere se bhi kata hai.
TEHELKA: To surinder bhi jaata tha mamu ke saath.
RAJBIR: Dekh, mamu kisi ko pani bhi na pilawe tha.
‘Karan Rajput got Rs 20 lakh from Sharma’
‘My first statement was the truth, so was everyone’s’
TRANSCRIPT 5: SHIV DAS
TEHELKA: Hello shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: haanji madam
TEHELKA: Main sabreena lal bol rahi hoon, apko sorry main pareshan kar rahi hoon, mera dimag kharab ho raha hai. subah uthati hoon, roj subah wohi akhbar mein wohi khabren padhne ko milati hain.
SHIV DAS: madam,. Main kya kar sakta hoon, aap khud hi socho
TEHELKA: Das minute ke liye meri tasalli ke liye nahin mil sakte hain
SHIV DAS: Aap mere ko phone pe jo bologe, main aa nahin sakta, I am sorry.
TEHELKA: Kyon nahin aa sakte shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: Ab dekh lo ma’m, main waise hi busy admi hoon. Mujhe humdardi hai lekin mere haath ke andar kuch nahin hai, aap samajh sakte ho. Meri bhi mushkilen samjho na aap.
TEHELKA: Aap itne kyon dare hue ho shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: madam darna padta hai jab kya karein
TEHELKA: kaun dara raha hai aapko shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: aapko sab pata hai, tabhi to main apse mil nahin sakta, aapko sab pata hai. main kuch nahin kar sakta aapke liye, batao.
TEHELKA: Aap khud socho, dekho maine bahan khoi hai na.
SHIV DAS: mujhe pata hai, lekin mere hath mein kuch nahin hain, main kuch nahi kar sakta madam. Main chota admi jab bade bade log kuch nahin kar paa rahe hain to main kya karoon. Aap khud socho na. Aap meri jagah hote to kya karte.
TEHELKA: yehi to problem, bade bade log na
SHIV DAS: haan to bas wohi hai na, jab bade bade log aise kar rahe hain, jab koi nahi aata to aisa kuch hota hi nahin. Jo pahle witness humne di, jo witness humne di wo actually right hi thi. Aur kisi ko kuch karta nahin to yahi hota hai
TEHELKA: Shuru mein aapne bhi police ko sach baat batayi thi
SHIV DAS: Wo to sabko pata hai kisne kya kara hai kisne kya nahin.
TEHELKA: Kya kara hai, main to thi nahi
SHIV DAS: Lok laaj ke log hain hum kaise kar sakte hain
TEHELKA: Us raat main to nahi thi, aap the
SHIV DAS: Tha to, bata to rahan hoon, kuch nahin kar sakta main
TEHELKA: To itna dhamka rahe hain aap sabko
SHIV DAS: Madam, aisa kuch hota tabhi to kuch kah rahe koi admi, aise kisi se koi darta hai kya
TEHELKA: Kya kah rahe hain aapse
SHIV DAS: Main kuch nahin janata kya kehte hain, lekin main apki koi madad nahi kar sakta hoon itna janta hoon
TEHELKA: insaniyat ke khatir
SHIV DAS: insaniyat ke khatir bata to diya. Insaniyat pehle wo log dikhayein phir main bhi dikha sakta hoon, aisi koi dikkat nahi hai.
TEHELKA: Apne aapko kyon unse compare kar rahe hain
SHIV DAS: Compare to karna hi padega na
TEHELKA: Kyon
SHIV DAS: Ab apko sab pata hai, sari situation pata hai, phir aap mere se pooch rahe ho
TEHELKA: apne pehli paar police ko sahi sahi bataya na ki manu Sharma hi the
SHIV DAS: madam wo to sabne hi bataya hai, maine kya bataya lekin aap dekh lo na, maine bol diya na aapko
TEHELKA: kya
SHIV DAS: main aapki koi madad nahin kar paaonga.
TEHELKA: meri tasalli ke liye, meri bahan ke liye, kuch to aap bol sakate ho, aap mil bhi nahin sakte ho.
SHIV DAS: milane ka kya fayada, jab main aapki koi madad hi nahi kar sakta to. Milane se to kuch hoga nahi
TEHELKA: hua kya tha wahan
SHIV DAS: wo aapko pata hi hai
TEHELKA: Aap the na shivdas ji main nahin thi na
SHIV DAS: the to madam wahan dedh do sau log the, yeh bhi pata hai aapko
TEHELKA: apne kya dekha tha
SHIV DAS: jo dekha tha maine statement de di thi
TEHELKA: phone pe thodi statement doonga
TEHELKA: Phone pe kya khatara hai aapko
SHIV DAS: nahin phone pe kya khatara hoga
TEHELKA:ek baar meri tasalli ke liye, batayiye, mera dimaga kharab ho raha hai
SHIV DAS:madam aapko sab pata hai, kyon pareshan kar rahe ho aap
TEHELKA: main paershan nahin kar rahi hoon. Main aapse koi ummeed nahin kar rahi hoon. Pehle to karan rajput baat kar lete the mujhse, ab wo bhi nahi rahe
SHIV DAS: unko kya hua
TEHELKA: unka dehant ho gaya na
TEHELKA: aapko nahin maloon
SHIV DAS: main to gaanv gaya hua tha na madam. Mere ko pata nahin
TEHELKA: aapka koi talluk nahin hai kisi se
SHIV DAS: mujhe to pata nahin. Kal apne father se poocha tha karan rajput ko kuch aisa hua tha, unhone kaha unki to death ho gayi
TEHELKA: Wo mere paas aate rehte the. Agar aapko madad chaihiye the aap mere pas kyon nahin aaye
SHIV DAS: mere ko madad nahin ki hai madam, main jahan hoon khush hoon. Na aap ye karna ki maine kisi se kuch liya hai. logon ki thinking hai ki shivdas ne kuch liya hai lekin aisa kuch nahin hai. bhagawan ka diya itna hai ki kha pee sakte hain, gaanv mein bhi kheti veti hai, aisi baat nahin hai. hum UP ke rehne wale hain aapko pata hai. yeh aap batein samjho. Baat yahan ki nahin hai. dilli to main ek minute mein chod doonga. Poora karobar UP mein hi hai. phir. Meri situation aap nahin samajh rahe ho na.
TEHELKA: Sirf dar ki wajah se kar rahe hai jo
SHIV DAS: ab sara khul ke thodi hi bataonga aapko, bata diya, samajhdar ko ishara hi kafi hota hai.
TEHELKA: mujhe batane mein kya hai, main thodi hi gawahi de rahi hoon.
SHIV DAS: Itna bata diya, main UP mein rehta hoon. Bas itna bata diya, samajh jaoge aap.
TEHELKA: UP mein unke bahut karobar hain, yehi kah rahe ho aap.
SHIV DAS: Aap samajh sakte ho UP ki situation. Bihar aur UP ko to aap janate ho. Daily akhbar padhte ho, news padhte ho. Humara poora khandan wahin rehta hai. humari kheti baari wahi hain. yahan to ek minute mein thoda bahut property bechkar chale jaenge.
TEHELKA: aapke rishtedaron tak pahunch gaye hain wo log
SHIV DAS: madam, kya bataen aapko
TEHELKA: ek bahan ki tasalli ke liye kuch to batao, tumko shanty mile aur roj mujhe yeh dikkat na ho.
SHIV DAS: main itna hi bata sakta hoon, baki isase zyada kuch nahih bata sakta hoon
TEHELKA: us din raat ko hua kya tha
SHIV DAS: yeh mujhe nahin pata. Statement maine de di ho court mein, ab yeh jane aur
TEHELKA: Police ko ek baat kahi hai , court ko doosri kahi hai na
SHIV DAS: madam sabne kahi hai, maine kya kahi hai
TEHELKA: theek hai, karan to rahe nahin, shayan to badtameez nikale
SHIV DAS: shayan munshi se pooch, wohi bataega aapko
TEHELKA shayan munshi kahan the us din
SHIV DAS: unse pooch kahan the, phone pe ye baate main kar bhi nahin sakta
TEHELKA: apne bare mein to bata sakte ho shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: madam kya bataon apne bare mein
TEHELKA: apne bhi to statement badli na
SHIV DAS: maine kaun si statement badli madam
TEHELKA: police ko jo kaha tha aur jo court mein kaha to usme antar tha na shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: andtar to sabme tha. ab police kya likhati hai kya nahin likhati kisi ko bata ke thodi likhati
TEHELKA: par dekha tha na apne manu ko
SHIV DAS: madam main aisa kuch nahin kah sakta
TEHELKA: kamal kar rahe ho shivdas ji meri bahan mari hai
SHIV DAS: main samajhata hoon, mujhe hamdardi hain, lekin main kuch nahin kar sakta
TEHELKA: itna kya dar hai sivdas ji
SHIV DAS: Meri jagah aap hote to pata lag jata
TEHELKA: nahin to kya kehte hain wo aapse
SHIV DAS: mere ko kuch nahin pata, mere ko koi kuch nahin kehta bas. Rakh do
TEHELKA: aisa mat karo
SHIV DAS: rakh do
TEHELKA: insaniyat ke nate to mere se baat kariye
SHIV DAS: Kar tio raha hoon. Jo mere layak hoga to main zaroor karoonga. Mere ko feeling hai lekin. Doshi hai to sazaa milni chahiye magar main kuch nahin kar sakta.
TEHELKA: pichali baar bhi jab maine phone kiya tha, jo apne kaha tha marne wala kaun hai sabko pata hai, pata to hai hi
SHIV DAS: Apko pata hai, sabko pata hai
TEHELKA: aapko bhi to pata hai na, main to nahin thi us din
SHIV DAS: madam phone pe aisi baat nahin honi chahiye, doosri baat hai main aapki koi madad nahin kar sakta. Baaki mere se koi ummeed bhi mat karna
TEHELKA: phone pe nahin honi chahiye to amne same kar do
SHIV DAS: aage se phone mat karna, tang bhi mat karna
TEHELKA: ek baar mil lo aap
SHIV DAS: mujhe milna nahin, mujhe bahut tension hai, main kya karoon
TEHELKA: kyon shivdas ji, bachche wale ho isliye
SHIV DAS: bacche ho gaye teen chaar. Bachchon ko dekhe ki case ko. Kabhi crime branch wale bulate hain, kabhi police wale, hum to pareshan rehte hain
TEHELKA: tang karte hain crime branch wale
SHIV DAS: sab karte hain, koi chodta hai
TEHELKA: kya kah rahe hain aapse
SHIV DAS: le jaate hain uthake, jab marji aaya, humne hi kara wo murder aise wo baat karte hain
TEHELKA: aap kya kehte ho unase
SHIV DAS: kuch nahin madam
TEHELKA: unase kya kahte ho
SHIV DAS: aage se aap phone na karna please. Bas kya fayada aisi baaten karne ka
TEHELKA: police station mein to aapne saaf bata diya tha apki majboori hai. main yeh thodi kah rahi hoon aap statement badlo, main yeh thodi kah rahi hoon. Main khali insaniyat ke naate pooch rahi hoon kya dekha tha us din aapne
SHIV DAS: madam yeh to sabko pata hai, aap kisi se bhi pooch lo
TEHELKA: aapse se bhi to pooch rah hoon na abhi
SHIV DAS: main kuch nahin bata sakata hoon
TEHELKA: aap khud hi kah raha hain ki sabko pata hai ki marne wala kaun hai
SHIV DAS: sorry mam phone kat do aap, aise thodi hota hai, main aapko situation di phir bhi aap tang kar rahe ho
TEHELKA: mere se zyada aap tang hain batao
SHIV DAS: agar aapko lagata hai ki main gunaahgar hoon to mere ko hi udwa lo
TEHELKA: bahan gayi meri, meri maa gayi, phir mera baap gaya
SHIV DAS: main bhi akhbar padhta hoon daily, mujhe sab pata hai, kya kar sakta hoon batao aap
Low state ko bologe ki high ko jaa ke kar de to main kaise karoon batao, mere level ka hota to main kar bhi deta, main kya kar sakta hai, mere haath main hai kuch, main to 3000-4000 ruapaya kama raha tha, naukri chali gayi, main to usase bhi badtar ho gaya, ab mere ko sau dedh sau kamana mushkil ho raha ha roj ka. Upar se log tane marte hain ki paise kha liye yeh kar liya wo kar liya. Itna hota to main fareedpur mein kyon raha ghatiya colony ke andar. Main bhhi kahin VIP mein jakar rah leta na.
TEHELKA: aapka koi fayada nahin hua to kyon ade hue ho usi pe
Sab kya kya batao main aapko madam
TEHELKA: us din raat mein kya hua
SHIV DAS: mujhe nahin pata ji. Maine batana tha bata diya, ab kuch nahin lena
TEHELKA: apne kya dekha tha
SHIV DAS: maine kuch nahin dekha
TEHELKA: manu Sharma ko goli marte dekha na aapne
SHIV DAS: nahin dekha
TEHELKA: pahli statement mein aapne kaha hai
SHIV DAS: jo maine de diya wohi theek hai
TEHELKA: wo to aap isliye kah rahe dar ki wajah se
TEHELKA: wo to aapne kah hi diya hai ki main majboor hoon, main UP mein rehta hoon
SHIV DAS: UP mein to main rehta hi hoon mam
TEHELKA wo to aap kah hi rahe ho na shivdas ji ki aapape bahut dabav hai
SHIV DAS: maine to aisa nahin kaha mam
TEHELKA: nahin aap yeh kah rahe ho na ki aap samjho ki main UP mein rehta hoon
SHIV DAS: aisa kuch nahin hai, meri koi majboori nahi hai
TEHELKA: main samajhati hoon aapki majboori, aap bhi bachche wale hoon, pehle karan rajput se baat kar lete the, ab wo nahin hain to maine socha ek baar apse, kam se kam. Us din hua kya tha rat ko
SHIV DAS: Madam sabko pata, poor statement dikha chuke hain tv par, 6 saal ho chuke hain is baat ko. Aap yahi sawal baar baar pooch rahe ho. Yeh aapko bhi pata hai. phir main aapko dohraon yeh aachcha nahin lagata.
TEHELKA: wo to pata hi hai
SHIV DAS: aap mujhase wohi sawal pooch rahe ho
TEHELKA: manu Sharma ne hi maara tha ye to sabko hi pata
SHIV DAS: main to aisa nahi kah raha
TEHELKA: sabko to yahi pata hai na
SHIV DAS: sabko pata hoga, main to nahin kah raha na
TEHELKA: pahle statement mein to apne yahi kaha shivdas ji
SHIV DAS: jo maine court me statement di wohi meri statement hain, police ki statement mujhe nahin pata
TEHELKA: kyon aap itna dar rahe ho. Aap khud kah rahe ho meri majboori hai
SHIV DAS: kat do phone
TEHELKA: mil loge 10 minute ke liye
SHIV DAS: nahin madam pahunch ke kya baat karoonga. Mil ke bhi main kya karoonga. Main kuch bhi nahin kar sakta.
TEHELKA: baar ke paas kaun kaun tha
SHIV DAS: maine to dekha hi nahi
TEHELKA: aap kaha the
SHIV DAS: main chat pe tha
‘I felt like a Jew in a Nazi camp’
Twenty one years later and still little justice. How do you feel as a Sikh?
I am very disappointed. I was expecting a more forthright denunciation of the people involved. Ninety percent of the report is of no consequence. It is all focused on police stations and I am sure the police could not have acted the way it did unless instructions had come from the very top. Delhi burnt for four days and there was no Section 144, no curfew, no shoot-at-sight orders. Finally when the government sent for the army from Meerut, the Sikh Light Infantry came and they had to be kept in the cantonment. The government was not visible. Even the President of India, Gyani Zail Singh, didn’t matter. I called Rashtrapati Bhawan but Zail Singh didn’t take my call and instead sent me a message asking me to take refuge in a Hindu’s house. Zail Singh should have resigned, even earlier, after Operation Bluestar. His stature would have gone up. Instead, he died unsung by his own community. The Nanavati report has only targeted the lieutenant governor and the police. I am disgusted. All governments make a mockery of these commissions of inquiry.
If someone like you felt so helpless and is now so angry, what about the ordinary Sikhs who lost their family members?
I have no doubt that they will be having nightmares. It is not possible to forget family members being burnt alive. Some of them must have gone crazy and some others must be drugging themselves to sleep. 1984 made me conscious of being a Sikh even though I don’t practise the tenets. But I feel the hurt of the community. I had to move out of my house and was picked up by a complete stranger from the Swedish embassy. I was living in the lap of luxury but felt like a Jew in a Nazi camp. I was an exile in my own country. What shook me was the number of Hindus who revelled in this. Girilal Jain wrote in The Times of India that the Sikhs should have known that this was coming. The Sikh community had, in fact, been let down by their own leaders. Zail Singh and Sanjay Gandhi created Bhindranwale. They let him go when he had been arrested. No one realised the ill-will that had built up against the Sikhs because of Bhindranwale. Not one Sikh leader had the guts to denounce him when he made statements like, ‘each Sikh should kill 32 Hindus.’
How do you feel as an observer of justice?
This is the most gross example of miscarriage of justice. Jagdish Tytler is a liar, saying none of the commissions have even mentioned him. Rajni Kothari brought out a pamphlet just after the carnage titled, ‘Who are the guilty?’ Not one of these guys, Tytler or Sajjan Kumar or Dharam Dass Shastri had the guts to take Kothari to court for criminal lies.
You have been a close friend of the Gandhis. Be it Bluestar or the 1984 carnage, the Congress was responsible.
My closeness to the Gandhis is much exaggerated. I defended Sanjay Gandhi on the Maruti deal. I went to see the Maruti factory and let me tell you it was worse than a mechanic’s shop. The point is and I have said this again and again — the carnage could not have taken place unless there were orders from the very top. Even on the tabling of the Nanavati Commission report, the government waited till the very last day. This shows their malafide intentions and their lack of confidence. They knew they would come in for the severest criticism. I feel personally let down by the Nanavati Commission. I went to depose and the atmosphere was that of a tea party, except that there was no tea. Every one was laughing and joking.
How do you see 1984 as a historian? What is the future for riot victims?
Justice is for the rich and the powerful. Inquiry commissions just pass the buck. Any future historian will know they can’t rely on these reports and will have to seek other sources of information. Governments need to understand that a crime unpunished breeds criminals. 1984 remains unpunished.
Are you upset that the Action Taken Report has been authored by a government headed by Manmohan Singh, a Sikh?
I don’t think he has any say. We know the circumstances under which he became the prime minister. Sikh or not, he has integrity, ability and humility. The Sikh community needs to also look at the positive side. Was it even conceivable in 1984 that we would have a Sikh prime minister, a Sikh Army chief and a Sikh heading the Planning Commission?
‘If I had the means, I’d acquire some cyanide’
At 90, after a lifetime of bearing malice to one and all, writer and columnist Khushwant Singh has turned contemplative. For a man who has always revelled in writing obituaries, he is ruminating about death in his latest book, Death at my Doorstep. He often wonders how long he will continue the way he is now. “I want to hang on but I know it’s close,” says the grand old Sardar in an interview. Excerpts:
Have you thought of death often enough earlier, or are you thinking more about it now?
I know it’s coming close. I often look out of the window and look at the tree and wonder how long I’ll be able to see it. I’ve seen it grow with me. I’d like to hang on but I question what will remain of me — some memory, some book. What I have done is try and shed my emotional baggage. I’ve already given away everything I have because I don’t want to leave a will behind. I’ve parted with whatever I have, including my monthly income. I have not a penny with me.
What do you mean ‘it’s coming close’?
Well, age-wise. I’m mentally fit but am losing my strength. I saw my wife lose her mind and then I saw her become a vegetable. In the end, she couldn’t move at all. I have to prepare for that possibility.
Do you feel life ebbing out of you?
Yes, I falter. I’m unsteady on my feet and have to frequently touch the wall. I can’t hear very well and I know life is ebbing out because I have to get up every two hours to pee. Two years ago, I fell in Kasauli. I fell face down, without rhyme or reason and thought the end had come. I was crawling around for half an hour and just couldn’t stand up. I thought I should say a quick prayer but then thought to myself, no that would be a lie since I don’t believe in god. I then thought of Iqbal’s line — why did you expel me from the Garden of Paradise, there is still a lot of work left… now you wait for me.
Do you believe in euthanasia?
Absolutely. You have every right to take your own life, every right to end your own existence. I’m still mentally there but if I had the means, I would like to acquire some cyanide. I can’t ask the doctor and can’t buy it from a chemist. I often wonder where the Tamil Tigers get their supply from? I’ve seen them wear the capsules around their necks.
You are actually saying you would like to acquire some cyanide if you could?
Yes. I believe death comes very quickly, in an instant. I won’t want to become a vegetable. I’ve seen my wife suffering. The other day, Nirad Chaudhary’s son told me that his father had crossed the century mark but he wasn’t really there for a year.
You have also been very irreverent about death and about the dead. Are you scared the same may be done to you?
(Laughs) Not at all. It doesn’t bother me. I won’t be around to know. I’ve always been irreverent and have written obituaries not epitaphs. I wrote my own obituary when I was still in my twenties.
Is it fair to criticise the dead? They can’t defend themselves.
(Laughs again) Well, you can’t be dragged to court. Look, it’s best to be easy about death. It’s not unique. I’m not marked out as someone special. Death has to come. I remember this incident when I was at the Indian High Commission in London. I had a visitor from Kenyan and Kenyan Undertakers after the death of the Rani of Mandi. They came to us because she had desired to be cremated in a saree. They wanted to know how to drape a saree and the man went into a rage because I told him I only have some experience of how to take them off. He was so livid he went and complained to Krishna Menon, the High Commissioner. Even when I wrote my own obit, I laughed about it. I said I’d been hoping that there would be a lot of people at my funeral. I wondered how my lawyer friends were reacting to the news. I ended saying that since there were no people who came and I was left alone with the hearse, I decided to come back.
Yes, but when another journalist wrote your obituary, you didn’t take that too well?
I was okay with it but my wife was upset because people only read the first para of that obit and we were flooded with phone calls and telegrams.
How did you take your wife’s death?
We were expecting it for a year or so. She slowly, slowly went down to becoming a vegetable. But when it did come, it came as a shock even though I was prepared for it. She died in the morning and we cremated her without any religious ceremony. I returned home and sat in the chair all night. I just couldn’t sleep.
Also, people were just not leaving me alone even though I had said through the newspapers that I would be grateful if people didn’t call or send messages. I packed my bags and went to Goa for 10 days where I sunbathed and drank.
Do you discuss death with your children?
Each time, I’m feeling a bit down, I see the worry on their faces. It worries them more than it worries me but I don’t talk to them about it.
Do you believe in rebirth, in communicating with the dead?
It’s bullshit. Planchettes are make believe. I don’t even believe in god because there is no basis for that belief.
How would you like to be remembered after death?
As a man who always spoke his mind, irrespective of the consequences.
What would you miss the most?
Good sex. I already miss good sex and it’s been missing for some time. The day you can’t have sex is really the time for a man to go. But yes, I fantasise.
Romance?
Romance dried up a long time ago. I don’t miss anyone, really. Each time I hear about some friend being with someone else, I feel I’ve shed some more emotional baggage.
Again, you think death is at your doorstep?
I would like to hang on but I know it’s close.
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From the death sentence to the gallows
Death at my doorstep (Roli Books) puts together the obituaries written by Khushwant Singh, with a fresh introduction by him. A snapshot from his obituary of Bhutto:
At 4 pm a magistrate arrived with writing material and asked Bhutto to write his last will…Bhutto spent an hour or more writing out his last message. No one will ever know what he wrote because with his own cigar lighter he burnt the paper to ashes. At 6 pm he asked for hot water and his shaving set saying, “I don’t want to die looking like a mullah.” And after he had erased the growth on his chin, he looked into the mirror and remarked in self-mockery, “Now I look like a third world leader
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The Quintessential Punjabi
How would you describe a Punjabi?
Well, any Hindu, Sikh or Muslim from Punjab would classify as a Punjabi but being a Punjabi comes from the spirit of ‘never say die’ (chardian kalan). The Punjabi has this unique trait, this immense belief that anything you do, I can do better. Look at their vocabulary.
If you were not a Punjabi, what would you have liked to be?
Not an Indian. I’d like to have been an Englishman. I admire them because they are straightforward and they don’t boast.
If you were to pick one good trait of the Punjabis, what would it be?
The Punjabis have been through so much adversity; they have learnt the art of surviving by fighting. Kirt karo, the Sikh faith teaches you and they have learnt to inculcate this as part of their work ethos. They believe in working hard and fighting for it and taking pride in what they do. Even after Partition, when they were reduced to poverty, they fought their way up. You would never see a Sikh stretch his arms out. You’ll never see them begging.
What typifies Punjabiyat in you, personally?
Frankly, I’ve never been conscious of being one but I have a great sense of belonging despite being an agnostic. If the Punjabi suffers, I feel deep suffering and when they are happy, I rejoice. I was very happy when Manmohan Singh became the prime minister. Part of the dream of ‘raj karega Khalsa’ (the Sikh will rule) came true, even if it was through a ballpoint pen and not a kirpan.
The community sees you as an icon of sorts. Is that a burden?
Icon? That’s bullshit. If I am, that makes me happy but frankly, my modesty won’t allow me to get flattered.
Modesty? That’s not a Punjabi trait?
(laughs) Well, that’s my bad trait then. Talking of bad traits, the Punjabis are rather loud and aggressive. We are also very vulgar. And great show-offs. At the drop of a hat, we take out processions and then even take out our kirpans. Our weddings are the most vulgar weddings. It is a common saying, put two Punjabis together and you have a singh sabha (Sikh congregation), put three of them together and you have rola rappa (noise).
What has the Punjabi contributed to the rest of India?
The Green Revolution, undoubtedly, which was started entirely by Punjab. It is still India’s bread basket. Take the case of Ganga Nagar and Tarai. One was a barren desert and the other a dense forest. Today, both are top agricultural areas and the credit goes to the Punjabi. I also think we have a delightful vocabulary which has crossed the confines of Punjab and Delhi. One Sikh is often described as ‘sava lakh’ (one plus a quarter) and fauj (an army). Then, there are other words. Chillies are called ‘ladaki mais’ (a woman who fights) and when we want to shit and piss, we say, cheetah bhagaan jaane hai and Chittorgarh ka kila fateh karna hai…
Do you find the Punjabi very boastful?
No, that’s an Indian trait. The Punjabi is as hypocritical as a Madrasi or a Bengali.
Unlike other communities, the Punjabis can laugh at themselves, right?
That quality is much on the decline. Sikhs and Parsis were two communities who could laugh at themselves but Sikhs are becoming very touchy. I was served a notice recently by the SGPC asking me not to narrate too many jokes about Sikhs in my columns.
So, have you stopped doing that?
(laughs) I just reproduced the letter in the introduction of the seventh edition of my joke books.
What about Punjabi music? Cinema and songs are incomplete these days without a Punjabi touch.
Our religion is entirely music based. We have 31 ragas which no other religion has and I’m glad we’ve preserved our kirtan. As for the Daler Mehendis and the Gurdas Manns, I can hardly say I admire them. You hear them once and you’ve heard them forever. Our gurbani and kirtan is pure and unadulterated.
How do you think other communities, down South, perhaps, think of the Punjabi?
With a certain amount of envy and appreciation. Under two percent of India’s population and we are at the helm of affairs in every sphere. Long live the Punjabi.
